Imam Tom discusses Restating Orientalism by Prof Wael Hallaq (part 1)

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  • @ruspinos3890
    @ruspinos3890 Год назад +70

    Amazing episode. Restating Orientalism is a masterpiece to understand how Orientalism and Western Modernity transformed every society and how modern knowledge was a weapon to dominate and destroy social fabric of non western society especially Muslims.

    • @CG-zi5ku
      @CG-zi5ku Год назад

      LOL You know why Muslims keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequacies? Because they keep blaming others for their own failures and inadequcies. 😆

    • @ThePrincipleLogician
      @ThePrincipleLogician Год назад +3

      Modernity also destroyed indigenous epistemology’s

    • @ruspinos3890
      @ruspinos3890 Год назад

      Totally agree, western modernity is a destructive hegemonic ideology.

  • @ygh1973
    @ygh1973 Год назад +91

    Oh my goodness, Imam Tom has already changed the game with his examination of The Impossibile state and now restating Orientalism. I am all ears! 🤙🏾

  • @abdurrazzak2970
    @abdurrazzak2970 Год назад +51

    May Almighty Allah Bless Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.

  • @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123
    @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123 Год назад +13

    10:40 Three Types of critique against Hallaq.
    11:43 Critique Type 1 - Hollow/Empty Critiques.
    23:48 Critique Type 2 - Islamist Critiques.
    30:50 Critique Type 3 - Realist Critiques.
    40:36 Key issues raised in the Preface and Introduction.
    40:56 The subtitle as the real title: "A critique of modern knowledge".
    42:25 “Orientalism” as an indispensable heuristic.
    44:00 Orientalism highlights the difference between superficial Identity VS the Substance of persons.
    58:20 Orientalism is a euphemism for the hegemonic modern (Occidental) way of knowing; it is not monolithic or concrete.
    1:02:38 The Imperative upon us, and the Faux-Imperative.
    1:06:27 The importance and limitations of Edward Said's work.
    1:19:59 Where Edward Said's work can take us (or, where we can take it).

  • @zaydmuhamed
    @zaydmuhamed Год назад +27

    So much for the waiting. 🚀Nothing makes me more happier than listening to you both. The critical importance of Hallaq and his books that are being unpacked in its most simpler ways for laymen such as myself. 🔆 Nihmah of Allah.
    May your souls be blessed and to all those who should benefit from this dialogue. 😇

  • @mzenglish24
    @mzenglish24 Год назад +21

    I'M SO EXCITED FOR THISSSS!!! Loved the previous series, such an eye-opener and got me following Iman Tom's other videos on Utica Masjid. Thanks so much for having him on again Brother Paul, because I love your style of conversing together. Jazakumullahu khairan kathira, may Allah bless and protect you both ❤

  • @TruRedCRIME
    @TruRedCRIME Год назад +9

    Been waiting for this. Thank you.

  • @morricehametta1668
    @morricehametta1668 Год назад +19

    Allah bless you Paul, Thanks For bringing Imam Tom again ❤, your channel Is of Great Value To me

  • @-Sunny-ly9sp
    @-Sunny-ly9sp Год назад +14

    Secular modernity cannot survive without colonialism and genocide due to its structural knowledge. ie. Orientalism. Thats... deep! Jazakallah Khair, both of you.

  • @ilhambakhti1345
    @ilhambakhti1345 Год назад +9

    God bless you brother. From Morocco

  • @maikudiesabba1091
    @maikudiesabba1091 Год назад +7

    I'm really blessed to listen to this talk. From Nigeria jazakallahu bi khair

  • @faysal8597
    @faysal8597 Год назад +13

    I’ve bought the book some time ago tbf, but this discussion compelled me to grab it off the bookshelf. I’m eagerly awaiting the next part, these insights are greatly appreciated

  • @aehong7332
    @aehong7332 Год назад +10

    What a pleasant surprise to see this new series on my feed!! ❤😆 Bismillah!

  • @МухаммадаминФайзуллаев-у6щ

    Allah is great ! one relegion and so many people from diffrent nations , and you Paul , your efforts in the way of Allah is beatiful . May Allah forgive you and give all good things in this dunya and akhira . May Allah allow to you and all of us be with our beloved prophet s.a.v in the judgment day and entire to paradise ❤ thanks again my brother and Imam Tom all these wishes are also for you ❤

  • @aniadz1
    @aniadz1 10 месяцев назад +2

    I have to echo another comment about how enlightening and deeply enriching this conversation is. Thank you❤️

  • @Mr.Jasaw13
    @Mr.Jasaw13 Год назад +7

    I was really hoping for this, and it finally came. Thank you so much.

  • @hamdanyoutubechannel6252
    @hamdanyoutubechannel6252 Год назад +7

    Thank you for the lecture, now I have more knowledge in this topic, may Allah SWT rewards both of you.

  • @husniolama8283
    @husniolama8283 Год назад +4

    Thank you Mr. Williams for presenting an interesting subject, having a knowledgeable Scholar, and for your valuable BT Podcast.

  • @KhadraA-q7x
    @KhadraA-q7x Год назад +4

    Just ordered the book.Thank you for another among many great discussions.

  • @unhingedconnoisseur164
    @unhingedconnoisseur164 Год назад +9

    really exited for this new series, especially after the impossible state series!

  • @Zeee530
    @Zeee530 Год назад +6

    I am very much looking forward to reading Re-restating Orientalism by Imam Tom Facchine in future Insha Allah.

  • @jijijiji6439
    @jijijiji6439 Год назад +6

    Mashallah great video jazkalh khir

  • @hamzah4101
    @hamzah4101 Год назад +3

    May god bless Paul and keep you on the straight path.

  • @globalobserver-f6i
    @globalobserver-f6i Год назад +13

    thank you for this very informative lecture on orientalism. It is important to understand it.

  • @MeansJustifyEnds
    @MeansJustifyEnds 10 месяцев назад +1

    Salaam Paul and Tom. Let's keep this series rolling inshaallah. It is crucial understanding in this age.

  • @roxanne2749
    @roxanne2749 Год назад +7

    Btwww, I was so excited for thiissssss❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @Kafkaesque786
    @Kafkaesque786 Год назад +14

    Thank you. This channel deserves all the support we can muster.

  • @AbdurrahmanZidan
    @AbdurrahmanZidan Год назад +6

    Thanks!

  • @hamdyamrizal3955
    @hamdyamrizal3955 Год назад

    Thanks

  • @QasemBakr88
    @QasemBakr88 Год назад +1

    Thanks so much for such great debate in light of the israeli genocide against the Gazans in Palestine....

  • @hayatraja7360
    @hayatraja7360 Год назад +4

    Well done , thanks.

  • @shamselnahar45
    @shamselnahar45 Год назад

    Another brilliant episode with you both exploring Wael Halaq's work. May Allah bless your effort and his.

  • @sI-ml6xv
    @sI-ml6xv Год назад +2

    " one of the most important books", Ive never heard of it. Looking forward to reading it.

  • @letstakealook123
    @letstakealook123 Год назад +3

    Imam Tom rightly speaks about the khilafah being normative to Islam.
    He is correct, that details need to exist and be pondered over, however what he dismisses as "slogans" misses that purpose of this "simple messaging". What he calls "sloganeering" does serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things. It helps to create awareness and an opinion amongst the masses for the Khilafah. There is a need for high brow discussion and low brow (slogans). They serve different purposes.
    If imam Tom would like to engage with details on economics and other matters there are intellectuals in Hizb ut Tahrir who have written and researched these issues at length.

  • @abubakr2981
    @abubakr2981 Год назад +2

    Very academic and will go above most people heads.

  • @fmvrpv3509
    @fmvrpv3509 4 месяца назад +1

    Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou ❤

  • @houssembensafi9303
    @houssembensafi9303 Год назад

    Powerful conversation, colonization even in our modern society is still very much alive institutionally through politics, academia and media. Understanding that and being aware of it is important for us to be able to keep our identity, it was not too long ago we have seen western society wipe out native people, their culture and the entire sense of who those people were. We are at a standstill where modern society believes that Islam is ‘holding’ them back so we need to be much more aware of these systems at play against us. Surely this is will be based on returning to our faith with renewed interest in it and furthering the knowledge and preserving it further.

  • @samataragon
    @samataragon 11 месяцев назад

    PAAATIENTLY, WAITING FOR THIS SERIES TO BE CONTINUED

  • @maruf2050
    @maruf2050 Год назад +3

    Surah Ankabut: 29:45 Recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer. Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater. And Allah knows that which you do.

  • @fwzikrm
    @fwzikrm Год назад +3

    Cover page indicates a piece of paper that has been unfolded after sometime…which is indicative of how Said’s critique although significant was folded and kept away by most of the Western intellectual hegemony. Given current events this is a very timely discussion for “unfolding” of the ummah’s legacy

  • @sALah1550
    @sALah1550 Год назад +1

    1:26:30 this is a an absolutely critical point that i've been pondering on and reckoning with recently but didnt know how to find literature on it. would appreciate elaboration on this!

  • @sonarbangla8711
    @sonarbangla8711 Год назад +2

    Imam Tom, Islam is a religion that is simple and easy to understand and goes straight to the essence of the divine design, called Sharia in which the people are called to 'cultivate Iman'. God has given you the power to feel if you are cultivating Iman or not (be-Iman), those who are Imandar (who cultivate Iman) will end up in heaven, otherwise Hell. You and Paul are special and are destined to reform the moral mindset of the whole world.

  • @juanway
    @juanway Год назад

    Yes! Perfect way to end 2023, and start off 2024 off with part II

  • @هود-ظ8غ
    @هود-ظ8غ Год назад +2

    I love you paul❤

  • @ArabianMemelord
    @ArabianMemelord Год назад +2

    Beautiful

  • @aminaayad4928
    @aminaayad4928 Год назад +8

    Assalam alaiukum dears brothers

  • @hayubwidiyoko
    @hayubwidiyoko Год назад +2

    Wa alaikumus salaam

  • @Abdirahman83
    @Abdirahman83 Год назад +4

    Salaam alaikum to all

  • @sonbahar5296
    @sonbahar5296 Год назад +1

    Two of my favorite Schollers.

  • @andteaperry9789
    @andteaperry9789 Год назад +6

    Succeeding by brute force. Western model is like a vampire...always sucking blood. Most people are living lives of quiet desperation

  • @drka21
    @drka21 Год назад

    ﴿سورة القصص ٨٣﴾ تِلْكَ الدَّارُ الْآخِرَةُ نَجْعَلُهَا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يُرِيدُونَ عُلُوًّا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فَسَادًا ۚ وَالْعَاقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ
    [Quran 28:83] That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.

  • @faisalniazi1899
    @faisalniazi1899 Год назад

    thank you

  • @aftabkhanize
    @aftabkhanize Год назад +1

    Bro. Paul once I asked Imam Tawfek Shahin of Ottawa Mosque what is Sharia. He answered me in one sentence that any law that is good for humanity is Sharia. He gave example of Signs on the road and signals on the intersection red light means to stop and green to go etc

    • @vmoses1979
      @vmoses1979 Год назад +1

      That is certainly the aim of Sharia - ie the betterment and success of people and communities. But it falls short since there is a whole divine set of rulings that are not within the ability of man to rationalize or devise on his own.

  • @lydsss17
    @lydsss17 Год назад +1

    Paul, I really would like to challenge you to debate Rev. Anthony Rogers. Debates on topics such as: Tawheed & Christian monotheism; The Trinity ; Why I am a Muslim/ or not ; Why I am a Christian / or not.

    • @bilalafzal7442
      @bilalafzal7442 Год назад

      when has he engaged in debates on this channel?

  • @SwitzerlandEducation4471
    @SwitzerlandEducation4471 Год назад +5

    Hello everyone ❤

  • @andteaperry9789
    @andteaperry9789 Год назад +1

    I will try to get this book. I like that: "Colonialized from within". Look at the churches, could not call out the slaughter yet call themselves representing God. And the people could not see the double standard.

  • @Azzawiya
    @Azzawiya Год назад

    Being challenged on ideology with constructive criticism should always be welcome, since we do take a lot of matters as granted or have not thought of before.

  • @idilhussein-ui5bd
    @idilhussein-ui5bd Год назад +3

    The identity politics is real among Muslims. Whether the affinity is to a tribe, a nation state or even a race. We claim to be united under the principles of the Quran and Sunnah but the colonial mindset is alive and well. But Alas this is the Jahiliya the prophet pbuh warned about for it manifested during his time among the sahaba. It is a sin as old as man for the Shaytan was the first to call on his suppremacy in defiance of Allah.

  • @ХикматллоЗакиров
    @ХикматллоЗакиров Год назад +1

    Ассаламу Алайкум. Из Москва.

  • @SyedAhmed-uc4yu
    @SyedAhmed-uc4yu Год назад +1

    In the pre-modern era, the Islamic State and Ulma co-existed in an agrarian world where the State had a very small footprint. Even in the past Ulma as caretakers of Sharia were careful not to step on the toes of the rulers, and the Sultans left Ulma alone. Muslim rulers always got a pass from Ulma when it came to their personal or court affairs. Ulma avoided challenging the legitimacy of a ruler because of the fear of the state's power. Now modern state is the norm, whatever its shortcomings we can not do without it. So how do you bring back the Sharia paradigm? Can you shed some light on this?

  • @azazzaza5764
    @azazzaza5764 Год назад

    Thanks people

  • @Magdy-su5ws
    @Magdy-su5ws Год назад

    درء تعارض العقل والنقل
    تقديم النقل على العقل
    People of philosophy of reason ism of logic of كلام of creation of critique they share one thing they put their human reason as rival to the word and wisdom of the almighty .

  • @justworship0570
    @justworship0570 Год назад +3

  • @somesumm2501
    @somesumm2501 Год назад

    I study evolutionary biology, and they often use the term "colonization" for a new species taking up residence in a new habitat. This term cannot be neutral, and is an imposition not just on nature, but on how we think of biology, subħānAllāh. I often wonder about how we can think about biology in a way that helps us to understand it on models that are faithful to reality.

    • @the_abbasid
      @the_abbasid Год назад

      Read Seyyed Hossien Nasr and Rene Guenon modern biology is the root of the problem and it has profaned the sacred sciences. I really feel bad for muslims that do not distinguish between modern science and old sacred science.

  • @UmerulFahad
    @UmerulFahad Год назад

    Brother Paul when we will see you with prof Hallaq?

  • @ahm2213
    @ahm2213 Год назад +5

    1st comment!

  • @Nahidx101
    @Nahidx101 Год назад

    Can buy these kind of books in my country

  • @SarahSuperFox
    @SarahSuperFox Год назад

    Paul, do you have an updated version of this interview with good audio please??

  • @SarahSuperFox
    @SarahSuperFox Год назад +1

    Is there something wrong with the video? It keeps freezing for one or two seconds at a time, but frequently.
    I remember this happened the last time I watched your last video together

  • @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123
    @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123 Год назад

    Would it be correct to say that “essentialism” (as a pejorative) is a post-structuralist characterisation?

    • @ej8530
      @ej8530 10 месяцев назад

      Yes

  • @andteaperry9789
    @andteaperry9789 Год назад

    Like that...intellecual colonialism. That's it. Without a heart none can be a true intellectual.

  • @RayOfHope8
    @RayOfHope8 Год назад

    ❤️❤️❤️🤲🤲🤲

  • @choiyatlam2552
    @choiyatlam2552 Месяц назад

    Hallaq point of view reminds me of Joseph Heinrich books in which he argues for the cultural superiority of the West with history, anthropology and psychology, that leads to Western domination/hegemony. This is very similar to Hallaq's view, yet the value judgement is the exact opposite, in which is celebratory. If so, the picture get very dark but clear quickly. Modern knowledge is a deal with devil, faustian in nature. It grant tremendous power which the West build their empire upon. If so, they have no incentive nor capability to change, as they built their entire throne on that. Basically, this is a "Live by the sword, die by the sword" dilemma. It is sounds more like steroid or weird mutation than virus to me, as it gives some tempting benefits short term, yet extremely destructive long term. Though, the infectious makes it more suitable to call it a virus. It is also convincing as modern science has its cultic roots which it wants people to forget. Even the icon of science, Sir Isaac Newton was very religious and into alchemy, which is a cosmic irony as his worldview became a strong foundation for atheism.

  • @MathraMania
    @MathraMania Год назад

    Would appreciate a summary before a discussion.

  • @MrSongib
    @MrSongib Год назад

    Mr. Editor, oyu could adjust the color balance a bit. xd

  • @EmploiEmploi-h7m
    @EmploiEmploi-h7m 7 месяцев назад

    Dear audience, read the book, take notes of Imam‘Tom‘s helpful explanations and do your own Halaqat to introduce those around you to Ustadh Hallaq‘s project - our project …

  • @SarahSuperFox
    @SarahSuperFox Год назад

    Can you please fix the problem with the audio? I’m very interested in hearing this but every time I attempt it’s really messed up

  • @alminafirman5168
    @alminafirman5168 Год назад +1

    🎉

  • @OfficialRetroUk
    @OfficialRetroUk Год назад

    Massively off topic but is there a blogging theology video i can watch about the third caliph and what took place with the consolidation or quran, kind of confused there

  • @ferozashraf8592
    @ferozashraf8592 Год назад

    "Appeasement is to feed the crocodile in the hope that eat will eat you last" Winston Churchill

    • @aaronmusa234
      @aaronmusa234 Год назад

      a drunk. who is now in lake of fire

  • @JPDave51
    @JPDave51 Год назад

    Wael Hallaq said, "My recent work has been arguing that there is no way to reach a genuine solution unless it begins from within ourselves. If we want to change the world, we need first to change ourselves, our subjectivities, our ways of thinking, or as [Reforming Modernity] argues, we need a new concept of the human."
    Talk, talk, talk, intercepted with surmising the impossible possibilities, is useless.
    Turn this endless stream of analysis and conjecture into a plan and make it happen.
    Wael, safely in his ivory minaret tower, needs to climb down and sit around the table with *real* players with skin in the game and make it happen. So far, he is merely continuing Islamic reminiscence for the good old "golden years" while Islamaniacs stew in their sharia juice.

  • @jonnieinbangkok
    @jonnieinbangkok Год назад

    Did Tom chant "Death to America and the Jews" in Arabic at the start of his talk?

    • @bilalafzal7442
      @bilalafzal7442 Год назад

      No, what makes you think that? 🤔

    • @jonnieinbangkok
      @jonnieinbangkok Год назад +1

      @@bilalafzal7442 Tom obviously hates America and Jews.

    • @mostaq9779
      @mostaq9779 Год назад +1

      No it was Bangkok and the Buddhists...

    • @jonnieinbangkok
      @jonnieinbangkok Год назад

      @@mostaq9779 Thanks...I knew he was a hater like all Muslims.

  • @fysmhmd7029
    @fysmhmd7029 Год назад +1

    I have a principle to not eat sushi if ain’t made by a Japanese. This is not written on stone, for there will be chefs trained in art and science of sushi making to the t. That said, will they be successful in creating new sushi or even serving the ones they have mastered with the right philosophy?

  • @mankmantos9292
    @mankmantos9292 Год назад +1

    Please, change the thumbnail ... does not seem proper.

  • @Nahidx101
    @Nahidx101 Год назад +2

    Next Up
    Reforming Modernity
    Then The Package Will Be Complete

  • @Farmer-Maggot
    @Farmer-Maggot Год назад

    PAUL COME BACK TO JESUS ❤

  • @heytemboumaza6369
    @heytemboumaza6369 Год назад +3

    Brother paul, what's that thing on the wall behind you, are you in a cave ? XD

  • @هلا-ز1ل
    @هلا-ز1ل Год назад

    يا اخي صورة الفيديوا لا تليق لوضعها واجهة للفيديوا اتمنى ان تحرص على وضع صور مناسبه لفيدوهاتك جزاك الله خير

  • @jonnieinbangkok
    @jonnieinbangkok Год назад

    Vassar College... isn't that a women's college. Has Tom transitioned since then 🤔

    • @TomFacchine
      @TomFacchine Год назад +1

      Not since the 70s....you're dating yourself

  • @sarshhhjevgfv5863
    @sarshhhjevgfv5863 10 месяцев назад +1

    I cant wait until everyone wakes up from this nightmare from this psychological epistemic disorder 🤢

  • @hassanmirza2392
    @hassanmirza2392 Год назад

    Dear Alie,
    Islam is only Quran & Sunnah (performing 5 pillars of Islam, rituals, Islamic calendar and few other things). Unfortunately Sunni and Shia Hadith books and Imamate traditions have fabrications, polemics and errors + good things too. The new Muslims should be careful about choosing from Islamic traditions. Just a sincere advise, I am a Sunni Muslim myself but our traditions require more scrutiny.

  • @heytemboumaza6369
    @heytemboumaza6369 Год назад +1

    brother Paul, looking at the wall behind you, are you in a cave by any means ? XD

  • @FikrNaqdi
    @FikrNaqdi Год назад +1

    Tom, buy a better microphone 🎙️

  • @mostaq9779
    @mostaq9779 Год назад +1

    I am very disappointed with your background Paul!!!!!!!!!!

  • @BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY
    @BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY Год назад +1

    JUST GOSSIP!

  • @lenwilkinson672
    @lenwilkinson672 Год назад

    Bilal .Afzal. Nothing about snide remarks. As I posted it’s rubbish as far as I am concerned.religion and silly people believing everything that gives them false sense of security. Millions succumb to it all the time.

    • @aaronmusa234
      @aaronmusa234 Год назад +1

      elvis. his daughter lisa Marie. grandson ben. all went to early graves trying to replace god with the opium [weed alcohol Xanax cocaine] of the secular atheists. . don't follow them and Ann heche. Aaron carter. Matthew Perry all who did not want to worship the creator which is the purpose f life ..

  • @meryemenis-ut6qs
    @meryemenis-ut6qs 9 месяцев назад

    You must change your name. Paul is not an islamic name. Paul is christian name. The name of Paulus or his jewish name Saul.

    • @BloggingTheology
      @BloggingTheology  9 месяцев назад

      Paul is not a problem as a Muslim name

    • @meryemenis-ut6qs
      @meryemenis-ut6qs 9 месяцев назад

      @@BloggingTheology I don't think so. I'm a muslima. My name is Meryem. As Christian my name would be Maria, as Jewish Miriam. Paul has no muslim version. Please don't speak in the name of İslam.

  • @ALLAH.ismysuperpower1794
    @ALLAH.ismysuperpower1794 Год назад

    ALLAH is saying
    All the praises and thanks be to ALLAH, Who has sent down to His slave ( Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa S A W ) the Book (the Qur'an), and has not placed therein any crookedness.
    (He has made it) Straight to give warning (to the disbelievers) of a severe punishment from Him, and to give glad tidings to the believers (in the Oneness of ALLAH Islamic
    Monotheism), who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a fair reward (i.e. Paradise).
    They shall abide therein forever.
    And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "ALLAH has begotten a son (or offspring or children)."
    No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot (took) sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie

    • @JPDave51
      @JPDave51 Год назад

      @ALLAH.ismysuperpower1794
      You're clueless about the topic of this video, aren't you?

  • @lenwilkinson672
    @lenwilkinson672 Год назад

    Noah Robert Graves. No, I finished school in 1944 The war was coming to en end and you were not even thought of. However those two are a couple of chumps as far as I am concerned.

  • @BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY
    @BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY Год назад +1

    MUSLIMS, THOSE HARAAMIS!!!